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Agent Unknown Night Theifs DamnedNation 10	Posted - 2015.02.04 19:19:00 - [1] - Quote Oinola Akachi wrote: Well , thanks, but I don't even know if I will save ISK in buying costs from producing the material or ship. I have no idea what good equipment I could build and how much it would cost. And I don't know if it's easier to save if mass producing. I also read that there is a lot of science skills to train , which seems more scientific. Or is that only for Inventions? Doesn't the production aspect relate mostly to the Production Skills for now? Also, does invention allows you to make BPO for sale instead of having to buy BPC? You have to buy the BPOs on the open market. There's no way to "create" BPOs. Invention is required for the production of T2 equipment and ships (and you need BPCs as input which are not given back if the invention succeeds or fails). For production, you need all the skills under the "Production" tab as high as possible. Material Efficiency and Mass Production should be at V, and Advanced Mass Production and Supply Chain Management should be at IV (V eventually, but it's a long train). You also need Science skills for both invention and the manufacturing of the BPCs that you get from invention. If you're dealing with T1 only and not inventing, you don't need Science skills at all. As for profits, it's a well-kept secret so you'll have to find it on your own. Manufacturing calculators exist for this reason.
Agent Unknown Night Theifs DamnedNation 10	Posted - 2015.02.04 20:05:23 - [2] - Quote Oinola Akachi wrote: Agent Unknown wrote: You have to buy the BPOs on the open market. There's no way to "create" BPOs. Invention is required for the production of T2 equipment and ships (and you need BPCs as input which are not given back if the invention succeeds or fails). All right , I didn't know that BPOs could not be created. Isn't there a way to loot BPOs from missions or Exploration or something? I didn't know that Invention was required to produce T2 equipment and I didn't know that BPCs were input and possibly lost in Inventions. Agent Unknown wrote: For production, you need all the skills under the "Production" tab as high as possible. Material Efficiency and Mass Production should be at V, and Advanced Mass Production and Supply Chain Management should be at IV (V eventually, but it's a long train). You also need Science skills for both invention and the manufacturing of the BPCs that you get from invention. If you're dealing with T1 only and not inventing, you don't need Science skills at all. As for profits, it's a well-kept secret so you'll have to find it on your own. Manufacturing calculators exist for this reason. Well, ok, but I will try to save money on my purchasing costs to start. Thank for the Science tip too. But I guess that, for scientific reasons, I would be better to deal with T2s and more. BPCs are always lost in invention ...but you create them from copying the BPOs. BPOs as far as I know never drop as loot (BPCs do as limited run copies). They're seeded by NPC sell orders, so check the markets. The important distinction: BPO - BluePrint original. You can research the ME/TE levels of these to improve profits and produce them faster. You can build "unlimited" amounts of items with these blueprints with the maximum allowed run time of 30 days. BPC - Created by "copying" a BPO. You select how many runs you want the blueprint to have - more runs means it takes longer to copy. You can build from these (so you can more than one production line), but you cannot research them. You use these as part of invention as well.
Agent Unknown Night Theifs DamnedNation 11	Posted - 2015.02.05 16:34:25 - [3] - Quote Oinola Akachi wrote: Agent Unknown wrote: BPCs are always lost in invention ...but you create them from copying the BPOs. So, does that means that I can copy BPOs? I guess I can't use BPOs for Researching Inventions. Additionally, that I rather have to make BPCs (or buy them) from BPOs for Inventions. Agent Unknown wrote: BPOs as far as I know never drop as loot (BPCs do as limited run copies). They're seeded by NPC sell orders, so check the markets. Yes, that would be important. I guess there are tricks or ways to find where and how those BPOs are sold from which NPCs, or why. (+ Those one can afford...) I also guess it must be hard to defend (or escort) them if they have to be carried. Agent Unknown wrote: The important distinction: BPO - BluePrint original. You can research the ME/TE levels of these to improve profits and produce them faster. You can build "unlimited" amounts of items with these blueprints with the maximum allowed run time of 30 days. BPC - Created by "copying" a BPO. You select how many runs you want the blueprint to have - more runs means it takes longer to copy. You can build from these (so you can more than one production line), but you cannot research them. You use these as part of invention as well. ME/TE levels for Material Efficiency, Time Efficiency (previously Production Efficiency) ... I'm mentioning this here since it was hard to find their meaning. I'm reading a bit from [url=http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Invention]EVE University Wiki/url] here, but I can't find exactly what I'm looking for yet. For instance, I read about Ancient Relics (from debris of a Sleeper facility), Data Cores and more... I still don't know any of that. In fact, I don't plan on starting this Manufacturing Pilot for a few more days or week. Also, can I make one pilot for research and one for manufacturing production? I already have a Refiner, and a PI pilot, which made level 5 items (that includes level 4 and 3). I also have a trader, and may make a new buyer (second trader Alt). I have an Explorer which can scan for Relics before I make new Explorers. I also read that Salvaging was good to get rare materials for ships parts like rigs. Is that true? (I'm all out of time now.) As mentioned above, I was corrected in that BPOs are never dropped from NPCs or exploring, so you'll need to buy these from the market or off contracts. Invention is a bit of a beast when you first start. Datacores are obtained by using research agents (R&D) and they generate a certain amount of cores per day (and doing missions for them increases this). They are relatively inexpensive and abundant on the market, though. Relics (or decrypters) modify your invention job in various ways. One pilot can do both research and manufacturing as they don't share slots (but you'll need skills). In regards to ME/TE levels, ME reduces the materials required to build a product while TE reduces the time. BPOs are copied to make BPCs that share identical stats (except they are limited in terms of number of runs). You cannot use BPOs for inventing. And yes, salvaging gives you a lot of materials needed for rig manufacturing.

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